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Psychological Continuity - Forward
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- Thesis Text:
- I think there’s a conceptual difference between:-
- Forward psychological continuity, and
- Backward psychological continuity.
- Imagine the case where2, I’m put into a duplicating machine3, but something goes wrong and my body is destroyed by the duplication4 process, though my duplicate wakes up perfectly happily. Then, it seems to me, I5 would never wake up, and would have no experience beyond entry to the duplicating machine. I would have no forward psychological continuity.
- However, my duplicate6 does have backward psychological continuity. Any duplicate of me, looking backward, would consider himself to be “me”, having my memories7, abilities, plans and so forth, and a body looking just like mine. But, would I8 ever wake up as the duplicate? My intuition on the endurantist account, as I have said, is that I would not, though I suspect that on the perdurantist9 account, this might be seen as a case of intended fission10 in which I was intended to wake up twice, provided we consider that the right sort of causality11 is in place.
- The above considerations raise issues similar to those in closest continuer12 accounts of personal identity, and the Only 'X' and 'Y' Principle13. How can what happens to someone else affect whether (so to speak) I am me? How could the “right sort of causality” have anything to do with how I experience things?
- Fission is, in any case, hard to imagine happening to oneself. Just what does it mean to “wake up twice”? I dare say one could get one’s head(s) around it. The two selves would then be distinct individuals, with distinct consciousnesses, but with a shared past. On the perdurantist account, we were always distinct, but co-located with everything in common.
- Let’s consider forward psychological continuity in everyday life. What ensures forward continuity of consciousness14 in the normal case of sleep and temporary unconsciousness? I cannot know “from the inside” that when I awake I’m the same human being15 as the one that went to sleep in my bed. The reason I believe this is for external reasons: duplication16 is not physically possible (or at least practical), and in any case I have no reason to believe it happened to me last night. Other people assure me that there was nothing out of the ordinary going on.
- Andy Clark17, raises this question about what ensures psychological continuity – more or less than in the case of Teletransportation – in the case of dreamless sleep, or (hypothetically) being frozen and then thawed out. We might ask what it is in the normal waking case. Maybe the whole thing is related to the arrow of time18 or in the distinctions between forward-looking psychological properties – desires and intentions yet to be satisfied or acted upon – and memories of what has already taken place.
- This is the sort of question that the Logical Positivists would denounce as meaningless, as no empirical evidence can decide it.
Further Remarks:
- This seems a very important issue to me, and I need to make more of it. For example, in the teletransportation19 thought experiment20, it seems to me21 that a new person wakes up, but I don’t, nor do I experience anything, though the new person claims to be me. Incidentally, it’s not just a new person22, but a new human being23 who wakes up.
- I will try another thought experiment24 I’ve been considering. It’s often said in the literature that if Teletransportation25 became commonplace as a means of travel, and was conventionally26 deemed to be such, rather than as a means of death27, then life would carry on just fine. Indeed, no-one could notice and difference, either from the inside or outside.
- Let’s try a variant: imagine (as maybe many US citizens do) that each night when you’re tucked up in bed technologically-advanced aliens spirit you away and perform horrible experiments on you, in the process scanning your whole body so they can replace your mangled corpse with a perfect duplicate of the original that had been sleeping happily, and return this simulacrum to your bed. Naturally, your partner and anyone else would be unaware of any of this. Also, the person who wakes up – just like the teletransportee – would have no reason to think anything amiss. He would consider himself the same person as went to sleep28 the night before. Life would carry on ‘happily’. Yet in this – admittedly phantastical situation – our sleeper only lives for under 24 hours before coming to a grizzly end and being replaced by someone else. His experience ends on the operating table aboard the starship. If the reality became known, no-one would dare go to sleep. Maybe teletransportation is less grizzly, but it leads to the same death and recreation.
- Maybe one could cavil at the details of the experiment: maybe it’s just not possible to extract the information from a human body sufficient to create a duplicate29 without destroying the original, so all the medical experimentation isn’t possible without a mangled body being returned, which would certainly be noticed. So, we might need to modify the TE so that your body is scanned – without anaesthetic, of course, to ensure this isn’t an experience you’d be comfortable with – and two copies are created – one for experimentation and the other for returning to bed. Then, one copy-you lives on happily for a day, and the other meets the grizzly end.
- Now, what could make the waker the very same consciousness30 as the sleeper in this scenario? Usually, it is said that there needs to be the ‘right sort’ of causal connection31, in particular one internal to the continuant. In this case, there is a causal connection, but it is imposed externally by aliens and their (maybe tendentiously named) duplicating machine. Are objections based on causality of the wrong sort anything more than intuitions that others might not share? I leave this open at the moment.
- On the Constitution View32, we are individuated by our First Person Perspective33. As far as I can see, all these duplicates are qualitatively identical34 (that is, exactly similar35), and so are their FPPs.
- Producing a reading list on this topic is difficult as the distinction – to my knowledge – isn’t usually made. There’s a huge overlap with the general literature of psychological continuity and connectedness and that on Teletransportation. For these, see:-
→ Psychological Continuity36,
→ Teletransportation37.
References
- Relevant Works cited above: No items to list.
- The above caveats aside, works on this topic that I’ve actually read38, include the following:-
- Aeon:
- "Clark (Andy) & Kuhn (Robert Lawrence) - Aeon: Video - Andy Clark - Virtual immortality", 2019, External Link
- General:
- "Bourget (David) & Chalmers (David) - The PhilPapers Surveys: What Do Philosophers Believe?", 2014, Annotations, Internal PDF Link
- "Dainton (Barry) - Self: Philosophy In Transit: Prologue", 2014
- "Dennett (Daniel) - The Mind's I - Fantasies and Reflections on Self and Soul: Introduction", 1981, External Link, Internal PDF Link
- "Ehring (Douglas) - Personal Identity and Time Travel", 1987, Annotations, Internal PDF Link
- "Lockwood (Michael) - When Does a Life Begin?", 1987, Annotations
- "Noonan (Harold) - Identity, Constitution and Microphysical Supervenience", 1999, Annotations, Internal PDF Link
- "Olson (Eric) - Immanent Causation and Life After Death", 2010, Write-Up Note39, Annotations, External Link, Internal PDF Link
- "Shoemaker (David) - Personal Identity and Immortality", 2009
- "Shoemaker (David) - Personal Identity, Rational Anticipation, and Self-Concern", 2009
- "Smith (Barry C.), Broks (Paul), Kennedy (A.L.) & Evans (Jules) - Audio: What Does It Mean to Be Me?", 2015, External Link
- A further reading list might start with:-
- General:
- "Blackburn (Simon) - Has Kant Refuted Parfit?", 1997, Write-Up Note40, Read = 156%
- "Dainton (Barry) - Consciousness as a Guide to Personal Persistence", 2005, External Link, Internal PDF Link, Read = 10%
- "Dainton (Barry) - The Phenomenal Self", 2008, Book, Read = 1%
- "Sider (Ted) - Asymmetric Personal Identity", 2018, Internal PDF Link, Read = 6%
- "Torek (Paul Volkening) - Something To Look Forward To: Personal Identity, Prudence, and Ethics", 1995, Internal PDF Link, Read = 1%
- "Whiting (Jennifer E.) - Friends and Future Selves", 1986, Internal PDF Link
- For a list of Works that have been considered, but have missed the cut for inclusion in this Section of my Thesis, see the following:-
- Read: No items to list.
- Further Reading: No items to list.
- This is mostly a place-holder41.
In-Page Footnotes
Footnote 2:
- On an endurantist account of persistence – see elsewhere for the distinction and it’s relevance to this case – between endurantism and perdurantism.
Footnote 3:
- I don’t think this is a tendentious term.
- The intended use of the machine is to produce an exact copy without destroying the original.
- So, this isn’t the same as Dennett’s “Telecloning” machine in "Dennett (Daniel) - The Mind's I - Fantasies and Reflections on Self and Soul: Introduction", where the destruction of the original is intended, yet (despite the label) the machine is used as a means of transport.
Footnote 17: In "Clark (Andy) & Kuhn (Robert Lawrence) - Aeon: Video - Andy Clark - Virtual immortality".
Footnote 21:
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